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Not at all what I thought
I got a temp job for 3 weeks at a major record label in NYC.
Thought that in addition to grabbing some free CD's (only got one so far), I could meet some interesting people, and hopefully get a full time position.
I'm still 0 for 3.
But one week left. Let the brown nosing begin!
and in addition to that, now I know why the CD industry is in the crapper.
I just went to FYE on 51st and 6th.
They had the Counting Crows first album (with Mr. Jones on it) for $18.99
You must be shitting me.
8 yr old CD with ZERO demand is $19?
Gimme a break...
*sob*sob*sob*sob*
rachel......
that's why you go to the village and head for all the used cd shops. 8$ <3
shoot you can get that cd used here for like 5 at cd warehouse
I wonder what its like to be remembered- John Hampson
cant you get it cheaply online?
just realised "ebay" sounds very westcountry...
(sorry that means nothing to almost everyone on this board, 'cept the english. Westcountry = farmers countryside etc)
well i dunno about that but trator definatley does. i would type out the song but you really have to hear it....
yea completely right Scott, I refuse to pay 19 bucks, plus 4 dollars in taxes. I will buy them when they are on sale, which in the end after the taxes makes them 19 again, but at least im saving 4 bucks right? If those people get a little less greedy, they might find their revenue and profit increase.
True Blue there Madonna....
It costs about $1.50 to make a CD. I think its much less, but lets just err on the higher side.
its considered "onsale" if its $14.99. Budget is $11.99
You can do the math on the ridiculous markup.
If all CD's were $10, Id be more inclined to get perfect versions of the songs, read the booklet, etc....
Right now Im quite happy (ectastic actually) that I can download them for free to offset the cost of 200? or so full cost CD's that I own..
PS. I purchased about 5 Madding Crowd CD's---so dont get all pissed at me.
Haha totally scott.....actually I just completely stopped buying cd's from stores, you can generally get them online or somewhere for 10 bucks or under, and if I can't I can wait. Lets face it, music nowadays has become pretty bland and indistinct, so waiting is not an issue.
of course we're ignoring the thousands and thousands of dollars spent on recording albums
-Mike
 
Go listen to my band. We're awesome.
http://www.myspace.com/rosencrantzny
weallgotwoodandnails
and now the record industry cant stop crying over all the lost revenue due to illegal downloading, when really they have been robbing us for years with these prices.
i still buy cds sometimes, but i never pay over $10. the trick is to get a job at a music store, because besides the awesome discount they just give away all the instore play cds when they are done with them. and sometimes there are some really good ones. as a matter of fact, today i got to take home six free cds, and some were just promos but some were unopened new releases. and aside from all that, its like the easiest job in the world. i get to listen to new music and read magazines all day.
uh, im not a very good employee.
>>>of course we're ignoring the thousands and thousands of dollars spent on recording albums<<<
Ok $20x500,000=$10,000,000
$10x500,000=$5,000,000
So ND's sold about 500,000 cd's right, assuming that not all of the cd's were sold for 20 bucks or 10 bucks, we will assume they sold enough to bring in revenue of about $7,000,000. So they spend a couple hundred thousand on recording....that is taken out of that $7,000,000 so we'll say there is about $6,500,000 left of that. Generally an artist gets payed about a dollar for each unit sold. Think about the difference in how much is made in total revenue, and how much the artist is payed. So lets say ND's got $1 for every album sold, so the band gets payed about $500,000 by the record company. Then we will take out the cost of video's so let's say in total $1,000,000 of that was spent on videos (lets face it the video's were pretty simple). So there is still $5,000,000 left in that pot of revenue. The record company can afford to sell Cd's for ten bucks. Yea so you are probably thinking well if they sell the same amount at ten bucks they wont make enough, but lets face it, most artists sell more than 500,000 units, and if you decrease the price demand goes up. That is the law of demand afterall. So really the record industry has caused their own problems. I do not pity them.
(Disclaimer, none of these numbers are absolute they are just an example, an approximation if you will)
if most artists sold 500,000 records, then why would it be such a big deal and an honour for a record to go gold?
-Mike
Go listen to my band. We're awesome.
http://www.myspace.com/rosencrantzny
weallgotwoodandnails
Corporations "provide" music to us now and are so far gone into menaical profiteering that they are now assumed into mega- conglomerates most of which have NOTHING to do with music.
i.e.,TIME Warner,Disney,Coca Cola,etc...
And pop music --once one of our our greatest inventions and most important cultural import---shows this.
There is nothing allowed on the airwaves---then video, fast food commercial,movie soundtrack tie in---that isnt completely tried,true and tested to replicate past formulaic profit makers.
And that profit maker cant be anything but soul-less to be able to insure repeated ,expected yeild.
Hence: Nelly.
And you're right,Madonna: dont ever pity them. They're quite sinister.
To take what is the most pleasant ,soul enhanncingly imperceptible art form --music--
and to advance only the formulaic "artists"( I want to say producers ,as that is a more appropriate word ,but fear it'd be misused in context of music industry,ahem..)
who have nothing real to say and no inventive way to say it
but happily put the same biased,unreal , limited and boring images to it , then filmed and photographed and repeated over and over again to point of disaffection only to THEN parlay it all into product placement for everything from hair products to toothpaste to car commercials and food items
rendering the entire original purpose of the medium---joyful rebellion---
completely NULL,is reprehensible.
They absolutely stole your Rock.
But you can still find it......
what about when a band you like becomes big, ala AFI?
are they terrible and despicable for becoming successful? i can tell you they haven't changed their sound. maybe the public wised up? or their record label gave them the support they needed to expose them to a public that doesn't want more of the same but doesn't quite know where to look for it. or is too lazy to.
don't get me wrong. i think the music industry is in the shit-hole. but how many bands do you really listen to that weren't exposed to you via tv/radio?
-Mike
Post Edited (04-25-03 01:52)
Go listen to my band. We're awesome.
http://www.myspace.com/rosencrantzny
weallgotwoodandnails
This thread took a lot of horrible turns that I wish never to speak of again until I die many years from now..
Just buy the CD's you like that are worth it to you.. and I don't know what your listening to but all my music is pretty distinct and different...
And here my neighbors and I can find good deals on CD's and usually when they come out. It just depends on where you live and if it's a prosperous area. Don't hate me for the truth.
I absolutely love her when she smiles
i'm surrounded by FYE's, malone, but it doesn't matter to me, because the bands* i like i'm willing to pay twice as much money for their CDs
-Mike
*the bands i LOVE. there aren't many
Go listen to my band. We're awesome.
http://www.myspace.com/rosencrantzny
weallgotwoodandnails
>>>don't get me wrong. i think the music industry is in the ****-hole. but how many bands do you really listen to that weren't exposed to you via tv/radio?<<<
80% of the music I listen to I did not hear on tv or radio.
And I am sorry, but I am not willing to pay twice the price, if that makes me a horrible fan so be it. Besides you guys are over looking the ultimate underlying problem here. The record industry is failing for a couple reasons.
A. they have oversaturated the market
B. they have ignored the laws of demand and supply
C. they no longer listen to what people want.....they keep trying to control the market, when in a market economy the consumer controls the market.
It is simple economics people, come on.
This thread has turned out to be EXACTLY what I had envisioned.
Its a nice change to have something stay on topic from what the subject is.
The only people who get rich from people purchasing is the record company.
Yeah, I agree Scott... Take July For Kings for example... the lead singer has told me, TO MY FACE, that he doesn't care if i burn the CD for people. Why? Because they don't make that much money on it anyways and they would rather earn the fans and have them come to shows and buy other merchandise instead of a CD, so they can make more money. And don't take this to say July For Kings are money-hungry. MCA records has just really poorly promoted them and they dont have a lot of cash flow. So if July For Kings isn't making a lot of money from their $10 CD's... well then who is???????
Colleen.
Here is an interesting tidbit from this morning.
I went to one of the executive floors of A and R records.
Username= Ric Ocasek
I thought this has to be a coincidence...Im sure its not the same one which I am thinking of. He is a lead singer and an executive?
After a few questions to certain people, nope..I was wrong. Its the same guy!!!
Who knew?
I still want my CD's of my favorite groups cheap. As much as I like them $20.00 just aint right.
Yes.. $20.00 means that much to me you Park Avenue fat cats.
I absolutely love her when she smiles
it would have been a really strange coincedence scott...i can't imagine that "ric ocasek" is a very common name...silly goose....
"...you might think i'm crazy, but all i want is you...." great. now i'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day.
rachel......
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